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It's nicer to work with an employee who feels like they're obligated to listen and follow rules
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Love to hear that there is that general sense of community over competition in your local area. Following along to hear more re: subcontractor experiences/thoughts!
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The benefit of Subs is that most people who are responsible and reliable will end up opening their own company anyway. I take it a step further with subs who have suck for a few years and I will “trade” customers with them so they can focus more on my customers while other subs do their customers and everyone saves on travel time.
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From a financial perspective, many business owners - when looking at the cost of employees in pricing work - do not always acccount for their full cost beyond their hourly rate or base salary. The full cost includes:
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